SSoD

[Melissa]

Okay so me and Lime are starting another rebellion. Now this is fairly new and quite frankly we have no idea what we need to know to get this started. So Courtney will be asking us some questions to help.

If any of you have other questions feel free to ask too.

[Admin Courtney]

Okay so this may or may not be long.


Firstly, SSoD needs a goal, but there are a few things you need to keep in mind.

The first and most important would be the fact that you don't want to interfere with the overall plot of Facaded.
Since the plot of Facaded is factionless versus factions (O:FF versus the government -- it's O:FF who is recruiting people and such and targetting the younger and the uninitiated), you need to make sure that SSoD would be a lot more minor than that.
Mini-plots are great. They are encouraged. Just as long as they don't push aside the main plot.

So you could have SSoD just meet up and maybe discuss ways of hiding their divergence and such. But acting out against the government and going on missions like O:FF does would be interfering with the plot of Facaded.

Does that make sense?
I'm not trying to stifle your creativity; the idea is awesome. You just have to be careful with it. Also, the government would know who is divergent once they took their aptitude test, so a lot of the older (initiated) faction members would probably be being watched (Tris wasn't at first because the person who tested her manipulated her results to hide it). It would mean BIG trouble (eviction from the factions or more likely death) for a divergent to rebel like that.

A lot of divergents might not want to be divergent, and are happy hiding it and choosing just the one faction. How does Tania et al. approach people she thinks is Divergent?
Also, how does Tania guess if people are Divergent? She might guess by seeing if they show traits of other factions, but how does she know they're not just confused about picking their faction? For example, my character Ashton would love to be Erudite, but also fits well into Abnegation. However, he is no Divergent.

So yeah those are my main three questions for now.
1) How does Tania find out if people are Divergent or not, considering most won't know.
2) How does she approach them?
3) What if they don't want to join? And what if they threaten to go and tell the government? I mean, not everyone who is divergent is trust-worthy just because they're Divergent.
4) What are the goals of SSoD?

[Melissa]

First off thanks for the reminders those are good things to keep in mind while I answer these.

1) She doesn't exactly look for Divergent. After leaving the first meeting with Tobias she realized there was a flaw to their plan. 10% of the entire population is Divergent. That's not even including those that are killed off as soon as the aptitude test happens and beyond, which is most of them. So the main goal has changed a little and tries to get members who knows about Divergents and their struggle and believe it's wrong, those who want to rebel but don't have a group already, etc, etc.

2) Approach? Well for now she's going up to people she already knows. Those who she thought would like to join and won't be difficult and have a lot to offer. I guess after she runs out of close friends she'll look for people with skills. Skills that could be very useful to them. After that it just narrows down to befriending the person and slowly gaining their trust until she tells them about SSoD.

3) Tania is being EXTREMELY careful about that. (Minus Denise that was a screw up for her) I think I already answered part of that in the 2nd question. Anyways I'll use the example of Denise. Guilt will do the trick. Could a person honestly tell the government knowing that people will be murdered because of it? That their last chance of revolution will disappear? (Keep in mind she's not fully aware of O:FF)

4) The goal is simple. The government is extremely oppresive and it's way overdue that a revolution occurs. (She is kinda lying to a few people about their goal. I don't think all of the members know she's planning a full out rebellion.) To gain control of the government, from the inside preferably, and do a total redo. Perhaps get rid of the factions, maybe not, but to certainly make it a lot more relaxed and free.

[Admin Courtney]

Okay, so since she's just talking to close friends now who she thinks she can trust, the number of members would be VERY limited, no? Unless she trusts a lot of people.
It's just not very realistic to have too many members if she's only approaching close friends.


Keep in mind that guilt won't always work. There are some people who wouldn't care. Take examples straight from the book. Eric did not give a rats arse about divergents being killed. The government doesn't, either. So there's a big chance that not everyone will be like Denise. And that's also a BIG secret for someone to keep. She lucked out with Denise not telling, but she wouldn't be able to guarantee that everyone would keep it quiet. Some people could even just spread it around because they can't keep a secret.



Here's the thing about the goal: If Tania's goal with SSoD is a rebellion, that interferes with the original Facaded plot involving O:FF. In the most blunt of terms, I wouldn't be able to allow that as a plot because of that.
Also, with her not telling some members about a rebellion, that could be VERY tricky, especially when she wants to start doing things like the missions she's wanting to plan. What if some members back away and leave because they don't want to mess with the government. Remember, the government is very strong, and it is so for a reason. It's unrealistic for a teenager who doesn't even know for sure if she's divergent (and once her aptitude test reveals that she is, she'd be watched like a hawk, especially with her high grades) to be able to plan a revolution like that. Though all of this is null anyways, because the rebellion plot of Facaded involves O:FF.


To summarize the mess that is above:
If the goal is a rebellion, that works against the plot of Facaded because there is already O:FF, and cannot be allowed.

[Melissa]

As I stated earlier she's working her friends first. After that she becomes broader and broader in her search.

She's being very conscious about who she tells and where. Especially after messing up the first time with Denise she doesn't intend on ever doing that. But if she does run into some cold heartless person then bribery most likely. It worked for Sky anyways.

I understand you don't want the main plot line to be altered, but I don't see the problem in extending it. Who knows, perhaps the organizations will eventually merge under a joint name. It's simply just adding onto to the main plot. It's not like it's removing anything.

[Admin Courtney]

She didn't talk to Sky about SSoD at all, nor did she bribe her :S I'm not sure what you're referring to there.

For now I'm going to say no to altering the main plot line until it can be taken somewhere, because it seems rather silly to have two separate organizations against the government (whether they merge later in time or not).
However if someone wants to make a special government army for dealing with any possible rebellions, they are more than welcome. It would make a LOT more sense to have two different sides, than to have two groups on one side, you know what I mean? It takes out a lot of the fun of roleplaying.
Sorry, I'm not trying to squash your idea here or anything. It's just no fun when something is one-sided. Imagine roleplaying a Harry Potter RP with only Order members and no Death Eaters to actively fight against (this is my best analogy, as HP is awesome, haha)

[Melissa]

Well she didn't bribe about SSoD. But remember before she needed to steal some guns so she gave Sky a better position?

Also actually me and lime were discussing that a while ago. I was thinking of a divergent hunter/character in charge of dealing with any uprisings. I came up with a backstory for her and everything. However there's a cap on Dauntless so I was never able to create the charrie. I was hoping of creating it one the factions were more evened out.

[Admin Courtney]

Yeah, but Sky would have done that anyways. That was just further incentive. Just remember that bribery won't always work.

Well the character doesn't have to be Dauntless to be hunting people down. They could be specially hired by the government. But the cap will probably be lifted soon only for special circumstances, because a LOT of characters seem to want to switch to Dauntless. Come August the Dauntless compound will be flooded.
In which case if it's over (what was it, 10?) initiates, some will have to fail if we want to follow the Dauntless initation and rankings.
If it's under, people are safe.

But yeah, for a special circumstances character I could lift it. Just send me the detailed bio and I'll discuss with Jess.

[Melissa]

Understood. Tania might have to do some things she's not proud of then if it comes to that...

Okay I'll start writing it tonight. Also if the character is specifically hired to kill people I could only imagine that they would be a Dauntless. but yeah I'll begin writing tonight!

[Admin Courtney]

Okay. Just remember it would be more fun if the character was a part of a team. One assassin wouldn't be fun. Perhaps they could be a part of a high-classed top-secret government group? Where the leader would be the government or TBD by Jess and I.
Anyways, keep that in mind and write up the bio and Jess and I will get back to you. PM it to us -- don't post it anywhere yet.

[Melissa]

okay. Also if there was a group other people would have to make some assassins themselves. (perhaps make that an announcement that assassins are needed?) Anyways I agree, a team of hunters would be a blast!

[Admin Courtney]

I wouldn't call them assassins.
I see the opposing side as just a secret group created by the government. Like an army. Just in case, you know?
I don't see a need for hunters, specifically.
Hopefully I'm making sense. Haha.

[Melissa]

I know what you mean. But it's just FUN calling them assasins. It make things dramatic. But yeah I know what you mean by secret army. Well tiny army. Maybe squad?

[Admin Courtney]

Yeah a squad

[Admin Courtney]

But I think having a diverse squad (not all Dauntless) would be better. Erudites could offer their intelligence. Abnegation could rule it. Amity... might be useless because of their peace issues. Candors might be good at lie detecting? (stretching here).
It's something that will have to be thought through.